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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 19, 2005 5:23am
Forum: etree Subject: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

The thin man who spits has been underappreciated on this forum...

Here's a list of recommended versions of Bobby Weir's Dead catalog...

I'll come back and add to this list...


Playin' in the Band--08-27-1972, 12-02-1973, 06-08-1974, 06-29-1976, 10-02-1977, 10-15-1983, 06-25-1985, 03-16-1988, 07-29-1988, 10-16-1989, 12-30-1990, 05-26-1993

Other One--03-01-1969, 02-13-1970, 05-02-1970, 07-02-1971, 08-06-1971, 12-31-1972, 06-18-1974, 11-05-1977, 10-21-1978, 10-27-1979, 06-16-1985, 08-19-1989

Sugar Magnolia--05-03-1972, 07-08-1978, 12-31-1978, 06-20-1983

Estimated Prophet--02-26-1977, 05-08-1977, 07-08-1978, 04-19-1982, 06-14-1991, 06-28-1992, 09-22-1993

Feel Like a Stranger--10-15-1983, 10-08-1984, 10-09-1989

Music Never Stopped--05-07-1977, 06-07-1977, 04-24-1978, 06-28-1985, 04-05-1993 (smokin')

Cassidy--03-23-1974, 06-12-1976, 05-06-1981, 09-10-1991, 05-27-1993, 07-23-1994

Looks Like Rain--06-12-1976, 12-01-1979, 04-20-1983, 03-28-1990, 06-22-1993, 03-16-1994

WRS>Let It Grow--11-11-1973, 06-18-1974, 06-28-1974, 07-19-1974

Let It Grow--10-29-1977, 08-03-1982, 10-15-1983, 03-25-1985, 04-12-1989, 10-16-1989, 09-19-1990

Hell In A Bucket--09-23-1987

Truckin'--05-26-1972, 05-19-1974, 11-06-1977, 10-22-1978, 06-20-1983, 09-20-1990

Victim--07-19-1989, 07-12-1990, 09-09-1993, 03-21-1994

Throwin' Stones--04-20-1983, 06-15-1985, 09-20-1990, 03-24-1993

covers

Samson & Delilah--07-01-1979 (snakepit), 04-18-1982 (Sunday sermon time), 05-15-1983 (Garcia wails), 06-20-1983, 06-30-1985, 05-16-1993, 05-21-1995 (last "great" version of the 94-95 period)

Masterpiece--12-31-1987, 12-31-1988, 04-12-1989, 07-17-1989, 03-29-1990, 06-14-1991, 05-27-1993, 09-22-1993

Watchtower--06-20-1987, 08-23-1987, 09-18-1987

Rooster--08-19-1980, 05-01-1981, 12-30-1981, 03-25-1985

Minglewood Blues--04-29-1971, 10-10-1982, 04-01-1993, 03-16-1994

Promised Land--09-03-1977, 11-24-1978, 04-01-1980

Big River--11-11-1973, 06-16-1974, 05-11-1977, 11-25-1979, 06-25-1985
















This post was modified by stratocaster on 2005-07-19 12:23:09

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Poster: najdz Date: Jul 18, 2005 1:25pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Can some one help with my memory, Bob was on fire one night during fire on the mountain, I think the show was in Conn. It was a real spicey lick he was doing, any help appreciated!

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Poster: liranfa Date: Jul 19, 2005 1:56am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

I appreciate "Strat" bringing out "Samson and Delilah" from 7-1-79....actually, I think the whole show is one of Bob's finest hours. A great show and Bob really plays his ass off and is loud in the mix.....The "Truckin/Around and Around" segue is really hot. Also, "Strat" probably knows I'm a fan of this run but 12-27-83 is also a great show for Bob. He was experimenting with different guitars in this run and was really excited about playing...again the segue of "Scarlet/Fire" is unique to this show!!!!

Two things....I also think Bob Weir carried the band through the '94-'95 decline of Jerry. Some of the shows I saw, Jerry was a ghost and Bob did his best to crank up the energy...also,

"The Music Never Stopped" 1-22-78, and "Jack Straw" 8-27-83

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 19, 2005 2:14am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

I really dig the band's 83' sound and some of those shows crank...that December 83' show is a good one...04-20-1983, 06-18-1983, 06-20-1983, 07-31-1983, 09-08-1983, 09-11-1983, 10-11-1983, 10-15-1983, 10-21-1983 and the aforementioned 12-28 show all are great shows (although most of these are beggin' for an upgrade)

94-95 showed not only Weir, but Lesh and the drummers steppin up big...of the shows I've heard or personally seen in 94-95 only 03-16-1994, 03-21-1994, 09-29-1994, 10-01-1994 and 05-21-1995 stand out as front to back consistently good and present Garcia shows...(there's a couple more shows in there, I suppose...)

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 19, 2005 2:15am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

I don't get the obsession on Bobby, clearly he is a great rhythm guitarist, however without Jerry, he is just another very good guitarist. His songs while musically composed by himself, were made great by Jerry's licks which were composed by the fat man himself.
Having said that, I would point you to my favorite versions of some Bob songs, and I find that the reason they are great is because of Jerry's leads, not because Bob somehow rose above his usual excellent stylings.
LLR.....12/9/81
Lazy Lightning/Supplication 5-8-80
Music Never Stopped 10-28-79
Lost Sailor/St....5-8-79
Wang Dang Doodle*... 9-11-83
*...Cover

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 19, 2005 2:44am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Obsession? I don't know anyone obsessed with Bobby (maybe one or two jilted girlfriends) A case can be made that there are many musicians who are less than the whole of the bands they were in. Do you honestly think very many people would give a crap about Jimmy Page, M. McCreary or even Dave Grohl, etc. if it wasn't for the songs and their bands? back to the Dead...Garcia and Weir developed an excellent sense of interplay and harmonic conversation...a little known fact is that Garcia actually wrote the China Cat riff that has been attributed to Weir (check out Jerry smoke this riff during Not Fade Away on 09-19-1970)...all in all Weir is an excellent rhythym guitarist...very inventive...chord inversion and filigree master...just take the slide away from him...;P





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Poster: bonk Date: Jul 19, 2005 5:54am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Thanks for letting everyone know that the thin spitter was a HUGE part of The dead sound!!!!!No one plays guitar quite like him.He also has big hands so he can play the inverted stuff!I appriciate your insite Strat!

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Jul 19, 2005 3:04am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

I'm surprised that no one's mentioned Bobby's contribution to the post retirement versions of Friend of the Devil. His playing on these slowed down versions I've always thought his finest hour.
Since I saw almost all of my shows in the 80's I was often wishing they hadn't shelved some of his best songs, Weather Report suite Prelude and part 1, Black Throated Wind by that time.
I probably appreciate his playing now, on tape, more than I did back in the day. I was always one of those who devoted 95% of his attention to focusing on the man in the black-T.

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Poster: GJR Date: Jul 19, 2005 4:24am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Until the archive SBD collection opened up my ears to all of this intricate playing, I had not realized how good Bob was at rhythm guitar. In my opinion he is extremely good. I guess he gets overshadowed from time to time by the other extremely good guitar player on stage. Also, beyond playing, he was a big creative force in the crafting of new tunes. In Phil's book, he mentions how all of the band members would ask Bob if he needed someone to play a part or 2 on a new song he was writing. When I analyze all of the players individually, I can't help think that each one was really a master on their instrument... especially Billy, who shines icredibly during Mickey's hiatus... but that's getting off topic.

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Poster: liverfenix Date: Jul 19, 2005 3:30pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

check out 1/8/78-jerry had laryngitis-all bobby tunes with the exception of donna's "sunrise"

not the world's greatest recording, but if you're a bobby fan-a must-have.

also, check out some of the live kingfish recordings..

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Poster: bonk Date: Jul 18, 2005 3:45am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

have you heard the LLR from 6-13-93/rich stadium?Its a monster!

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Poster: musicflyz Date: Jul 18, 2005 2:22pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

LLR
10-10-82

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Poster: StrawRider Date: Jul 18, 2005 3:11pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

I like how Playin' is at the top of the list in this thread. It's Bobby's best...or is The Other One? Hmmm...anyway, have we not mentioned The Music Never Stopped yet? Come on! A perfect first set closer. 06-07-77 the best?
There's plenty more!

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jul 18, 2005 10:22pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

How about some recommendations for a great Esau? I think it's a tune that doesn't get much love, admittedly b/c it always felt a little "in flux"--i.e. which lyrics does Bobby want: "Esau, he's on roller skates today/selling real estate to someone in L.A." or the WEIR-der (sorry) but better, IMO, "Esau skates on mirrors anymore/and greets his pale reflection at the door"....in any case, I know there are some kick ass versions out there w/Bobby going ballistic on the "Shadowboxing" scatting at the end, and Jerry supporting with a great kick at the end. Any thoughts?

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 18, 2005 11:17pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

10-28-1985 is a great Esau...06-20-1983 ain't too shabby, either...

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 18, 2005 11:23pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

thanks for reminding me about "Music"...

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Poster: jhender501 Date: Jul 19, 2005 12:16am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Some of my favorite shows are those in which Bobby comes through clear. A near genius in his
rhythm guitar playing, yes..enocouraged considerably by Jerry..


Jim

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Poster: electric koolaid Date: Jul 18, 2005 6:14am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

I agree with much of whats been said. I would recomend one show above any I have for Bobby fans. I mentioned it in an earlier forum topic:

10-18-72

The whole show is great, but the secong set is absolute magic and Bobbys guitar is high enough in the mix that you can hear everything he's doing, and it's fantastic. I urge you to check out the jam after the verses in Playin for a taste of what he can do. it really is remarkable

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 18, 2005 2:10pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Look, certainly Bobby is tone of the greatest, if not the best, rhythm guitarists around. The fact is, though, that he probably would have never made it big without Jerry's magic.

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Poster: rockydead Date: Jul 19, 2005 6:02am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Love this thread. Grew up, a big Bob fan. Got a little burned out on the howls/yells during Estimated Prophet in the 80's. Loved Bobby's Dylan covers. Cowboy songs also.
He was once labeled a prototypical rythem guitar player due to size of his hands-- he was able to reach cords thought very difficult to play.
More recently, his RATDOG acoustic songs are awesome. I have compiled a "best-of" off of these recordings.
Agree with all of your comments, especially like the following:
71&72 BoBBy McGee versions
'72&74 Black Throated Winds
'74 Let It Grows
'77-84 Looks Like Rains
'77 Estimated Prohets
'77 Music Never Stops

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Jul 18, 2005 4:43am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Interesting topic and list. Yes Garcia just smokes on many of those 'Bobby song' versions you sited. Perhaps Bobby was underappreciated , his songs did serve as useful vehicles for the fat man's magic.

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Poster: adedhed68 Date: Jul 18, 2005 8:14am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

More Bobby,

Race is On: 3/31/73

Bobby McGee: 4/2/73 THIS SHOW IS SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Promised Land: 6/28/74

Spoonful: 11/1/85

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 18, 2005 1:10pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Check out 10-16-1981 for an all around great Bobby performance...he always go out big on his birthday shows, (10-16-77, 10-16-81, 10-16-89)

04-02-1973 is a great show on great quality sbd...another good Bobby McGee's is 09-28-1972

For those who like Miracle go to 1978...10-21-1978 and 12-31-1978

El Paso--08-27-1972 (out of Dark Star), 10-13-1980 (classic), 03-23-1995 (what? are you kidding me? it's good, a golden moment on an otherwise ominous tour)

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Poster: StrawRider Date: Jul 18, 2005 12:11pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Alright, let's give Ace some 'props'

How about Black Throated Wind...9-21-72?

I always liked that song.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 18, 2005 12:55pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

good call...09-18-1974 may be the best Black Throated Wind...

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Poster: adedhed68 Date: Jul 18, 2005 3:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Feel Like a Stranger : 5/7/80

Desolation Row: 5/10/87

Big River: 9/19/87

Lost Sailor > Saint (This is my personal favorite of Bobbyland) I like almost all versions.


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Poster: adedhed68 Date: Jul 18, 2005 4:01am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Also under appreciated in guitar work:

Bertha: 5/9/77 I love the little flail at the beginning.

China Cat: riff's galore (when he's on it's magic)

Althea 3/14/82: uses a slide to produce a whale song in the background

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Poster: *Merlin* Date: Jul 18, 2005 5:14am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

A great show all around, but look to 6/14/91 for lots of great Bobby work. The Help>Slip in particluar showcases his angular playing style and his timing. He carves out some great space between Jerry and Bruce's licks and is upfront in the mix. Also, 12/31/90 has Bobby sounding great, check out the Promised Land.

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Poster: dupree413 Date: Dec 27, 2011 1:46pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Weir was certainly under much scrutiny during the '80's. Some were not fond of him singing Pig's old tunes (smokestack, lovelight) etc... That the boys revived in '84.

Personally, I think it was apples and oranges. But since is a post for Weir....

I think he really spiked the energy of the group in the '83-'85 pre-Jerry's coma shows.

Listen to the '83 Buckets ( I know Bucket???!!) but remember, that was before it's "In the Dark" format which IMO sucked.
The '83 Buckets were raw, really laid back and I remember a friend of mine figuring out "there will come a day I will dance on your grave/ if I'm unable to dance I'll still crawl across it mama!!"

Music 5/7/77 Boston - Hot! Garcia is on fire at the end.
Sugar Mags - 6/20/83
Sailor>Saint 3/24/86
Stranger 6/25/85
LoveLight 6/25/85
Spoonful 11/1/85

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Poster: Zeno Marx Date: Dec 4, 2005 12:41pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir--Best of Grateful Dead

Anyone want to list up their favorite Let It Grows, Music Never Stopped, China Cats? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.